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Posted by leslieh71 (My Page) on Sat, Mar 6, 10 at 9:52
| We are in the architect design phase of a major home renovation. We will be adding a two car garage with a small addition to connect to the existing house and completely changing the footprint of the main floor. The second floor will change slightly, but not much.
I have spent time lurking on these forums and have gotten some great thoughts and ideas. I've read books from the library and purchased countless magazines. I've spent hours scouring the internet for pictures and things of that nature. I've created a binder so that I'm as organized as possible.
What would be invaluable at this stage would be advice from folks that have gone through a renovation, or folks that do these things for a living. For example, I read on the appliance forum that I should take my largest dish to the store with me. I would never have even given that a thought. What was the best thing you did? What would you have done differently? Share your advice and lessons learned.
Thanks in advance for taking the time to teach me! I am very excited and nervous about this project and can't wait to hear from you about yours. |
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| Taking dishes/etc. when shopping is rather cumbersome. I have found a paper cut out made by length/width/height is almost as good and much easier to handle. You can actually carry models of many of your small appliances/dishes/storage containers and have them labeled. Designing is very often driven by immediate needs or needs projected on a when this happens basis. The actuality is that nvery often those needs do not include options that arise later. That later can be two weeks or three months or longer. The best way to allow for such changes is to design spaces for ease of alteration. Things like moveable storage shelving, sliding shelving, and adding more cabinet space in the design. An extra closet or closet expansion can be an immense plus. End resault is that no matter how much you plan, somethings are going to come up that make you wonder if you had done any planning at all. Taking extra time in designing and actually waiting while periodically reviewing plans and comparing the plans with how you felt later can show up some parts of the design that might need changing. The trick is to be satisfied at some point and go with what you have, since second guessing can consume you. |
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| Thanks handymac! The template idea never dawned on me and it does sound so much easier. Thanks so much for your feedback! |
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| Really consider lighting as a way to enhance your style. Check out www.feiss.com. They won't sell to you directly, but they have great collections and you'll be able to locate retailers close to you using the website. They're also very well priced compared to stores like Potterybarn and the like. |
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| Is there some reason your architects isn't providing this assistance? |
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| Suggestions from internet forums often appear relevant if you have never designed a house before but many suggestions are specious, red herrings or archaic concepts like the "magic triangle" for kitchen layouts. For instance, most dishwashers are now designed low to the floor with more adjustable upper racks so that any dish that will fit in a standard cabinet will easily fit. Just be sure the model you buy has those features. Forums can alert you to special design issues and magazines can help with more conventional ideas but if you want to put it all together and create the best possible house you should try to use your architect effectively. If he/she is not highly skilled you should find one who is. I have linked a book below that might help you understand how to work with an architect. There are also many other books that focus on particular design and project management issues. If you are starting from scratch learning about home design, it is important to seek the best advice in order to avoid distractions, wheel spinning and frustration. |
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| Jeremiah Eck is one the best architects I know. His book "The Distinctive Home" is a great place to start. |
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| Thanks macv. Our architect has given us invaluable advice regarding our design. We love his drawings so far and we do have some things we'd like to modify. I will definitely check out the book suggestions. I just like to have all my ducks in a row and since this is my first remodel, I would like try to wrap my head around it as best I can. That's why I've done reading and planning. I would agree that the internet is certainly not always the best place for information/opinions, but I find that sometimes people's own experiences can open up my eyes to something I might not have thought of or come across. zaphod42 - thanks for the lighting link. I agree that lighting can really make a difference. Thanks again! |
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| Quote: "Suggestions from internet forums often appear relevant if you have never designed a house before but many suggestions are specious, red herrings or archaic concepts like the "magic triangle" for kitchen layouts." And then you proceed to issue definitive information in contrast to what you just wrote? C'mon. Books can be just as irrelevant. People glean a lot of really good information from talking to each other. The internet has simply made it easier for people to talk to many more folks than they could in person. Oh, that 'magic triangle' concept? Still being used by most architects to date. Because it makes good sense. |
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| You're welcome to your opinion. I expressed mine and we obviously disagree. I'm just trying to give the OP the perspective of a professional designer since an architect is already involved. Since your comments have taken on a disrespectful tone I think it is fair game to point out how irrelevant your suggestion was to another poster regarding the location of a CO detector. This is the kind of misinformation that causes the problems I referred to earlier. |
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| By the way, I did not give the OP "definitive information" other than to point out why it is not necessary to take a plate or a plate mockup to buy a dishwasher as if it were the 60's and to suggest using books written by professional designers. To offer definitive information I would need to know much more about the project in order to avoid wasting the OP's time. Any three objects not in a straight line form a triangle. You insult all architects when you suggest that "most" of them would need to rely on a 60 year old home improvement magazine "rule of thumb" to design a kitchen for a client. The important task areas in a modern kitchen number more than 3 and many kitchens must accommodate more than one cook. |
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| You mentioned appliances... Don't forget handles when considering clearances. I've seen a dishwasher handle collide with an oven door handle. They went out and bought a different dishwasher that worked. And fridge handles can be big. On one job I saw, the fridge was placed next to a wall and the designer did allow room between the wall and fridge to accomodate the handle - but not enough. The door wouldn't open far enough to allow the trays to be pulled out. They ended up taking out the wall back to the point where the handle cleared it. (Bring back the drywall guy and the floor guy.) |
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Timing is everything - be sure to fully consider your lighting and HVAC requirements before the walls and ceilings are closed up. We have almost every light on a dimmer, and our HVAC is completely zoned on sophisticated controllers so that we only heat or cool the rooms that are in use. Our single best decision was to build in a central vacuum with Hide A Hose. It makes my life so much easier and our home dust free. If your renovation would allow for the inclusion of a CV with HAH I would urge you to seize the opportunity! Finishes, fixtures, furnishing and decorating are the most exciting, but it is the floor plan, and not so sexy things like structure, insulation, HVAC, quality of windows and doors etc. that make your home comfortable, safe and a joy to live in for years to come! I carefully planned my kitchen for my own cooking and entertaining style and I re-designed the lighting plan for the whole house to suit our needs. It was certainly time well spent! IMO you are doing the very best thing which is to educate yourself as much as possible, using information from as many sources as possible. Remain engaged in the whole process. It may not make your architect's and builder's lives easier but at the end of the day it is YOUR home and it should be the way YOU want it to be! |
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