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Need Help with Basics: Oil vs. Propane, Radiant vs. Hot Water

djdoggone
14 years ago

We need help finding the right forest: oil vs. propane, radiant vs. hot water.

We aren't even at the point of better vs. best of anything: boiler, hot water tank(less).

We live in central Massachusetts. We are dismantling half the house. It was a fixer-upper that we need to whittle down to a size we can afford to fix up and maintain. We are in our 60's. The part we will be left with will be 24 x 30 (720 sq. ft.) on one floor. We will add a laundry/mudroom 10 x 12 for a total of 840 sq. ft. Part of the house has basement, part crawl space.

Right now there is forced hot water with a 30 year old Italian (Riello) oil burner. It heats the water from a storage tank (well water). Water is acidic and hard.

We don't have access to natural gas. Electric is expensive. Air pumps don't seem to function well in our environment. So our choices are propane (we'd bury a tank) and oil. When we look at the Massachusetts government site which posts the cost of propane and oil, they look to be running about the same. (Though I don't know if the units are comparable.)

We will put in an induction cooktop and electric oven so kitchen appliances don't factor in.

We need to replace the floors so radiant heat is an option.

I am home all day and need to keep the house very wam (72) because I am ill and have trouble with my body temperature.

Our goal is to get the house very efficient so going forward our expenses will be a little as possible, given that geothermal and solar are beyond our means and payback time.

Did I cover everything?

Comments (7)

  • paulbm
    14 years ago

    Oil or LP gas, Oil has about 140,000 BTU of heat per gal.
    LP depending on the value of it in your area has about 96,000 to 98,000 BTU per gal. In your case i would go LP 95% furnace in the basement, and then get a eff. hot water heater. I think the 95% hot air would have less problems than the oil. The 95 % furnace can get you the tax rebate. and you can get 10 yrs. on parts and labor for just a small cost. Just my opinion.
    Paulbm

  • garyg
    14 years ago

    Cost of heating fuels?

    What is your cost of oil, $ per gallon?

    Of propane, $ per gallon?

    Electricity, cents per kw-hr?

  • fsq4cw
    14 years ago

    I canÂt imagine why air-source heat pumps wouldnÂt work well in your area. I would think that forced air with an air-source heat pump and a propane furnace for back-up might be your best bet.

    SR

  • djdoggone
    Original Author
    14 years ago

    garyg;

    We just paid $2.65/gal for a delivery of oil.

    These are the Mass gov prices for home heating oil for this week, going back to 1995, so our oilman, as always, is mid-pack.

    For November 24:
    2009 average price: 2.73 (high: 3.30, low: 2.31)
    2008: 2.64 / 2007: 3.26 / 2006: 2.34 / 2005: 2.34 / 2004: 1.99 / 2003: 1.36 / 2002: 1.25 / 2001: 1.11 / 2000: 1.54 / 1999: 1.09 / 1998: 0.79 / 1997: 0.95 / 1996: 1.15 / 1995: 0.95

    These are this week's propane prices (often they run higher than oil, and I understand that price seems to be commensurate with use; the more used, the lower the price - I hope we will use little):

    For November 24:
    2009 average price: 2.57 (high: 4.11, low: 1.93)
    2008: 2.74 / 2007 2.74 / 2006: 2.24 / 2005: 2.29 / 2004: 1.85 / 2003: 1.49 / 2002: 1.37 / 2001: 1.32 / 2000: 1.49 / 1999: 1.22 / 1998: 1.17 / 1997: 1.25 / 1996: 1.46 / 1995: 1.17

    Can only find one reference to btu's and that was a general comment = 92,000 btu for propane for Northeast

    We pay 14.6 cents/kWh for electric.

    Thanks, Deb

  • tigerdunes
    14 years ago

    djdoggone

    do a close analysis of various fuel options first and their comparative cost.

    see link below for fuel calculator which is a useful tool. you do need to know your efficiency for cost comparison.

    IMO

    Here is a link that might be useful: Fuel Comparison Calculator

  • garyg
    14 years ago

    Deb:

    Compare the cost of 1 million btu's of heat.

    I'll use your average costs.

    Oil at $2.73/gallon, 80% efficient furnace (your old oil furnace may be less efficient):
    (1,000,000 / 139,000 btu per gallon) x 2.73 / .8
    = $24.55

    Propane at $2.57 per gallon, 80% efficient furnace:
    (1,000,000 / 91,000 btu per gallon) x 2.57 / .8
    = $35.30

    Propane, 95% efficient furnace
    = $29.72

    Heat pump w/electricity at $.15 per kw-hr delivered, C.O.P. = 3.25 at 35F ambient:
    (1,000,000 / 3414 btu per kw-hr) x .15 / 3.25
    = $13.51

    Straight electric resistance heat:
    = $13.51 x 3.25 = $43.90

    The heat pump produces the same 1 million btu's of heat at more than half the cost of the 95% efficient propane furnace, and almost half the cost of the 80% oil furnace.

    Note that the cost of a heat pump defrost cycle is not included in the above calculation.

    As ambient temps increase from the 35F example, the C.O.P. increases, and the heat pump is even cheaper to run.

    The C.O.P. was taken from my 3-ton 14 SEER / 9 HSPF Goodman heat pump at 35F ambient.

    The heat pump needs auxiliary heat for when the ambient temps fall below the balance point of the home. That aux heat can be a propane furnace, oil furnace, or resistance electric strips.

    Using the heat pump as primary heating, with a gas/oil/propane furnace as auxiliary heat is called a dual-fuel system. These systems have a lot of advantages.

    Take care.

  • djdoggone
    Original Author
    14 years ago

    garyg: Thanks for doing all the math!