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Posted by garrakev (My Page) on Tue, Oct 6, 09 at 18:55
| There are lots of bad people in the world, unfortunately some of them are house builders.
Iain Hall from Edenwold/Balgonie is one of those people.
He took a lot of people for a lot of money and the laws in Saskatchewan protect him.
All we can do is put up a website to warn others.
http://badbuilder.ca |
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| I am always a little suspicious when someone signs on Gardenweb for the specific purpose of defaming a builder. You say nothing of what this person did and to whom. Notice you signed on yesterday. If you feel inclined to bad mouth this guy, suggest there aren't a lot of posters from Gardenweb that live in Saskatchewan, and as a person living in Texas, I have no interest in joining your campaign! |
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| I can never understand how people get screwed by home builders when it comes to money. I have been a contractor, mostly commercial but plenty of residential, for about 25 years now. I will get deposits and most of them go into escrow accounts. However, once into the job, I am never ahead of the property owner when it comes to money. They always own me money, not the other way around. My projects are always in the hundreds of thousands and into the millions. Unless it’s a contractor/builder you trust with your life, NEVER give up control of the money unless the work has been done. If a contractor needs a deposit, put it in a joint escrow account, no less! If a contractor/builder tells you he needs money to buy materials, RUN!!!! Anyone who has been in business for a fair amount of time has accounts with every supplier from here to Timbuktu and those accounts are usually 30 day pay on invoice. So the contractor might not need to pay for the materials for 30-60 days after they receive the materials depending on the time of month. If a contractor/builder won’t do a job without money up front, there are other builders and other neighborhoods to choose from. Never let someone get ahead of you when it comes to money on a construction project. It’s not necessary, I don’t care how big or small the builder is. If they want to do business, especially these days, they will accommodate a client so hard earned money is safe. I can understand a builder wanting deposits to start a home so they don’t get stuck with a house that they can’t sell. Simple, the buyer puts the money into a joint escrow held by their attorney and the checks can’t be cashed without joint signatures of the buyer and the builder. There can also be triggers written into the deal so a party can't tie up an escrow account without merit. I don’t do business with someone if I’m not confident I’m going to get paid. I have a very low bad debt ratio every year and it’s because I’m careful. Be paranoid and protect your money on both sides of the fence. |
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That is how the law is supposed to work in Saskatchewan but no-one does it. With the current housing boom a disreputible person can get away with just about anything. I am sure a contractor can look at this and think "how stupid?" but think about it, Iain has worked this scam on hundreds of people and has figured out what he can get away with and how to mess with the contract/cut corners in order to get paid for things that he should not have. Looking back I can't believe that I fell for some of his lies/creative accounting. All I can say is be careful, do not let the builder pressure you, if they do you need to step back, find a friend who is not involved to have a look at whats going on. Find out the builing laws in your region and insist that they be followed, no matter how much of a pain in the butt they are. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Iain's page
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| About 25 years ago I had a very nice inground pool constructed. The man who I gave the job to gave me several references. I called all of them and went to see some of the pools he had installed. To a person, they were pleased with his work. I ask the OP, did you do the same with your builder? |
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| There is a Canadian group that addresses bad builders: canadiansforproperlybuilthomes.com I’m in the U.S. For people wishing to avoid this problem in the U.S. I recommend hadd.com. This org provided info to me during our case that was very useful, and I don’t know that we’d have been able to recover our damages in settlement as successfully as we did without this org. There is a very good reason people make gripe sites; they can’t get anywhere with the usual complaints to BBB’s and govt agencies, and the builder knows it, so they stonewall the customer. Plus, the BBB’s, state agencies, and so on, do not always make all complaints public info. Most people find out this gem of information after their own complaint is kept under wraps. During my case I met many intelligent, rational, well educated people who got taken by bad builders. (Networking can really be helpful.) A few contractors were also among those taken by bad builders. (And now, it’s getting more and more common for contractors to do work for builders and not get paid, either.) Among the homeowers were engineers, real estate agents, lawyers who represented many builders in their practice, a judge, teachers, soldiers, and basically people from all walks of life. As they described the research they did before buying a pattern emerged: they were told there were no complaints by BBB’s and state agendies, when in fact there were. And they only found out about the hidden complaints by practically becoming detectives to do the necessary work to support and fight their own cases. When not even industry insiders and lawyers who supposedly ‘know’ the local builders can avoid it, what chance does the average consumer have of really knowing? Sometimes home made gripe sites and consumer org’s are all you have to rely on. So if someone makes a gripe site it just might be the only thing you have to go on, and where there’s smoke there’s usually fire. |
Here is a link that might be useful: Canadians for Properly Built Homes
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| What I've said for the beginning, ask for references and check them out. Do not let your self be sweet talked into letting your guard down. If he/she can't or won't give you references, don't walk, run from this person. Don't let them tell you he did this or that. Ask who and where, addresses and telephone numbers. A few years ago I had a roofing company contact me about damage to me roof after a hail storm. He told me he had been cruising the neighborhood looking for damaged roofs. He told me if I called my insurance company he would meet with them to show the adjustor the damage. I did and they did. I told him that before I hired them I would need references. He gladly gave me several and I contacted all of them. They all gave honest and detailed information. I hired the company, they did excellent work and billed my insurance company. For a while I received reference calls and I told them of my experience and offered to have them come look at my roof. A few did. Moral of the story, get references and check them out. |
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| To: texasredhead, I used to live in TX as well and trust me, there is a whole HUGE world outside the TX. Why would you read and reply to a post that you don't find relevant? To OP, it would be more useful if you posted some details so we all could learn what can go wrong while building a house. |
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| The OP is a spammer simply trying to get activity on the link(s)- least that's what I think. |
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| I wish we had researched our builder before we bought. Because of them, they used duct tape to seal the bathroom venting ducts to the roof, not the proper foil HVAC tape, this caused the ducts to fall off and blow warm air into th e attic which enabled mold to grow on the interior roof sheathing which I have to remedy. They also did a lousy job plumbing, there are a couple of leaks as well as bathroom fixtures such as the towel rack and toilet paper roll mounts falling apart in addition to the mirror. This all seems to have happened about a year after we bought the property. I shudder to wonder what the crawlspace looks like. Can legal action be taken against a builder if things like this happen. We later found out from our realtor and later the selling agent that the builder/seller took a loss on the three properties which the bank sold as short sales and the builder took off to another state. |
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| lostinit, try www.hadd.com and www.hobb.org for info on what you can do about construction defects. |
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